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Sunday, July 23, 2006

AdVice

Poet Pyo intoned some time ago that he'd offer advice to high school students during their university application process, but this mofo hasn't written anything since. So to compensate, I thought I'd impart some of my sage wisdom to all you aspiring undegrands.

And the most sage advice I can offer is this: Don't pay heed to your guidance counsellors.

Anecdote - I can't exactly recall how the circumstances came to be, but I recall one instance my junior year when I was sitting in the chair of a guidance counsellor's office. I listed the schools I was interested in attending, and mentioned UW was my first preference, to which she sneered "Why Waterloo?", intonating slight distaste, almost as if she was dissuading me from going there. I cited its reputation and the co-op program.

I actually think most high school guidance counsellors graduated from third-rate liberal arts schools and suffer from a massive inferiority complex as a result. Many secretly resent that some of the bright, ambitious kids they counsel are bound to go to better schools and lead more prosperous, fulfilling, accomplished lives. So to compensate, these counsellors will feed you the fallacy that the school you go to doesn't really matter. BS.

In the corporate world, one is very much assessed on their credentials, particularly in banking, management, and finance. A degree from a third-rate school won't cut it. And while elitism may not be as rampant here as in the US, I'm thinking that the guy doing the resume screening and deciding between two applicants isn't going to regard a math 3.0 from York in equal footing with a math 3.0 from UW.

Think about it. You're at a cocktail party in your late 20s/early 30s. You're schmoozing about and the topic of careers and schooling is bound to arise amongst your yuppie cohorts. If someone tells me they have a liberal arts degree from Brock, I'm thinking "Why did this guy not go to UT or Queen's?". I infer that he probably wasn't smart enough to get in. I won't prod out of politeness, but rightly or wrongly that is what I infer. You may have graduated at the bottom of your class, but one can't deny the social cachet of a degree from Waterloo or UT or Queen's.

My advice is to foremost study your ass of in Grade 12 (the most imporant year of your life), do the program you like best, and do it in the most reputable school that offers you admission. If you care about moving up, if you care about peer respect and approval, if you have an inflated ego, don't go to the school where all your friends are going. Don't go to the school offering you the highest scholarship bribe. Do your favourite program at the best school for it.

And if you want career counselling, talk to actual people in the industry.

5 Comments:

- Blogger Tristan

you know it was a guidance councellor that persauded me into coming to UW

7/23/2006 05:34:00 PM
 

- Blogger Bernie Tremblay

Hey Guys,
Just wanted to drop you a line and say I've been reading your blog for the last day or two, and I have really been enjoying some of the posts. With just about every month's archive I get to and read, I end up saying "Geez, that's something I would blog about" and normally I am in full agreement with your opinions.

Bernie

P.S Some long time ago a link to www.pandora.com was posted. What a great site!

P.S.S Sounds as if we had the same guidance counsellor :-)

7/25/2006 07:56:00 PM
 

- Blogger James

Agree. All that my high school guidance counsellors did was read from the university admissions books and tell me what I need to take, which anyone with half a brain can do! I don't recall them giving any kind of advice... It's no wonder why so many people end up switching majors.

7/25/2006 09:26:00 PM
 

- Anonymous Anonymous

1. MY hs guidance cousellor providede the graduating class with as much information as we could possibly take in. He made sure than any major university that a number (and since my hs was tiny, that number could have been as low as five) would likely apply to, would come to our school to do a presentation. Once the (obviously biased) representitive from the school left, he would give us the low down. Like what programs were REALLY good at that school, and some of the things to consider if you wanted to go to grad school, med school etc. I think he worked his ass off to give us every possible advantage in this really important process. Also, I'm pretty sure he went to UT. (but maybe I was just lucky)

2. I seriously think Sen has demonstrated one of the best reasons NOT to come to Waterloo. As difficult and challenging as my time here at Waterloo has been, I don't think I regret my choice of picking this school. But honestly, the obsession with the "corporate world", the disprespect for other educational institution, the perspective that the SOLE PURPOSE OF A UNIVERSITY EDUCATION is to make more money, are all reasons NOT to choose Waterloo.

3. If having a life is a priority, don't choose Waterloo.

As a side note: Waterloo co-op students honestly think they know something about the corporate world that non-co-op students are oblivious to. So, I will add one thing that co-op has taught me. In terms of "moving up" you degree is NOT going to dictate your career path. It will probably be the biggest asset you offer a company for your first (and maybe second) job. But your ability to contribute and the value you add will be much more importatnt later on in life.

8/02/2006 04:39:00 AM
 

- Anonymous Anonymous

I concur with Mr/Ms Anonymous' 2nd and 3rd points. Sometimes it feels that Sen just feels insecure or is cutthroat competitive by nature or maybe a bit immature. thats my 00.02$ Thank you.

8/03/2006 06:35:00 PM
 

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