Let's Get Together and Be Alright
This is a follow-up to Eddie’s post.
IMO Weiner/Whiner is too harsh on the Mandarin students in his editorial. I actually know the guy - he’s an upper year Actsci student. In my experience a disproportionate share of the students in ActSci are Visa students from China, and so that could account for the preponderance of Mandarin. There’s a reason why MC has the moniker Mainland China. One of the things I'd like is for the international students in my program to be truly international, as in being representative of the breadth of the world and not all hailing from one country (can't UW find other places to recruit?) In many ways I find my program to be stiflingly monocultural - a more diverse mix would be a hell of a lot more interesting - and I could see how Weiner/Whiner couldn’t take it any more and blew his gasket.
Chan and I were talking about the division between FOBS and CBCs earlier, and we arrived at the consensus that really the onus ought to be on us to relate to them, not them to us. If I was a foreigner in Tsinghua University in Beijing I’d likely seek other like-minded Canadians with whom I can relate. Their self-segregation may not necessarily be voluntary – maybe they would like to be friends, but, lacking English fluency, are afraid of ridicule and just too darned afraid to approach. Knowing the natural reticence and cultural introversion of Chinese people in general it’s probably all the more difficult for them. So it would be good if Weiner/Whiner, instead of castigating them, would look at it from their angle too. I mean Weiner, have you ever talked to them? They’re usually very nice people. (Having said that though, it’s the non-Chinese that are in the minority.)
But Chan, you’re right about one thing: why the separation/segregation of CBCs and FOBs, and how much of it is voluntary? One would think that Canadian born Chinese kids would reach out and extend a warm welcome to their FOB brethren. You talked about taking Gene under your wing. So should CBCs make a greater effort to accommodate FOBS? Or are FOBS perfectly content with who they are, and don’t necessarily want to Canadianize? (In other words, be IN the West but not OF the West).
It used to be profoundly uncool to be an immigrant/foreigner (think Fez from That 70s Show) but maybe now there’s a social cachet to being a FOB, particularly with their numbers? One almost gets a sense of cultural superiority with them – we’ll stick with our bubble tea, Xanga, and Canto-pop, you crazy Canucks go on worshipping your beer, Red Green, and hockey pucks. But you hosers somehow managed to put together a prosperous economy, so thanks for that. It’s really an interesting phenomenon.
But with ethnic Canadian-born/raised kids... it's whole other story, and these folk ought to stop being so cliquish. A while back I alluded to the 1.5 generation ethnic clique phenomenon. These are the people that piss me off.
Another thing I've observed about 1.5 generation ethnic clique types (Asian and brown cliques alike) is the sense of sameness. What I like about the cast of 125 Columbia is that we each have an interesting idiosyncrasy that sets us apart. Me with my wry wit and observations and trying to come up with an explanation for everything, James has his music, Tristan with the politics, Chan has his Liverpool obsession, Smiley with his recycled one-liners, Eddie with the fitness training. There's a diversity of ethnicities coupled with a diversity of personalities which makes for an interesting and in many ways enriching dynamic, and we have all learned a lot from one another in many respects. With CBCs, I notice that a lot of them are all the fucking same! Maybe they hang around each other so much, oblivious and impervious to outside exposure, that they become boring carbon copies of one another.
Eddie, funny how you mention the poser/digital camera phenomenon. Ever notice how any time a new "poser" networking technology comes out, Chinese kids (FOBS and CBCs alike) in the 14-24 demographic crawl all over it? I’m talking about AsianAvenue, Friendster, Xanga, Facebook... Not saying that other groups aren't into it, but the Chinese kids in particular absolutely love this stuff. Care to account for why that is?
IMO Weiner/Whiner is too harsh on the Mandarin students in his editorial. I actually know the guy - he’s an upper year Actsci student. In my experience a disproportionate share of the students in ActSci are Visa students from China, and so that could account for the preponderance of Mandarin. There’s a reason why MC has the moniker Mainland China. One of the things I'd like is for the international students in my program to be truly international, as in being representative of the breadth of the world and not all hailing from one country (can't UW find other places to recruit?) In many ways I find my program to be stiflingly monocultural - a more diverse mix would be a hell of a lot more interesting - and I could see how Weiner/Whiner couldn’t take it any more and blew his gasket.
Chan and I were talking about the division between FOBS and CBCs earlier, and we arrived at the consensus that really the onus ought to be on us to relate to them, not them to us. If I was a foreigner in Tsinghua University in Beijing I’d likely seek other like-minded Canadians with whom I can relate. Their self-segregation may not necessarily be voluntary – maybe they would like to be friends, but, lacking English fluency, are afraid of ridicule and just too darned afraid to approach. Knowing the natural reticence and cultural introversion of Chinese people in general it’s probably all the more difficult for them. So it would be good if Weiner/Whiner, instead of castigating them, would look at it from their angle too. I mean Weiner, have you ever talked to them? They’re usually very nice people. (Having said that though, it’s the non-Chinese that are in the minority.)
But Chan, you’re right about one thing: why the separation/segregation of CBCs and FOBs, and how much of it is voluntary? One would think that Canadian born Chinese kids would reach out and extend a warm welcome to their FOB brethren. You talked about taking Gene under your wing. So should CBCs make a greater effort to accommodate FOBS? Or are FOBS perfectly content with who they are, and don’t necessarily want to Canadianize? (In other words, be IN the West but not OF the West).
It used to be profoundly uncool to be an immigrant/foreigner (think Fez from That 70s Show) but maybe now there’s a social cachet to being a FOB, particularly with their numbers? One almost gets a sense of cultural superiority with them – we’ll stick with our bubble tea, Xanga, and Canto-pop, you crazy Canucks go on worshipping your beer, Red Green, and hockey pucks. But you hosers somehow managed to put together a prosperous economy, so thanks for that. It’s really an interesting phenomenon.
But with ethnic Canadian-born/raised kids... it's whole other story, and these folk ought to stop being so cliquish. A while back I alluded to the 1.5 generation ethnic clique phenomenon. These are the people that piss me off.
- 1.5 Generation Ethnic clique Like the FOBs in practice, but unlike the FOBs these are the folks that were born and raised in Canada but
(1) Grew up in ethnic enclaves in the GTA suburbs or
(2) Grew up in all-white or multicultural environments, and have recently "rediscovered" their ethnic identity on campus. They congregate exclusively with those that share their skin hue and tend to dissociate from "outsider groups".
Prime Habitat: CASA/SASA meeting or Davis Centre Library
Another thing I've observed about 1.5 generation ethnic clique types (Asian and brown cliques alike) is the sense of sameness. What I like about the cast of 125 Columbia is that we each have an interesting idiosyncrasy that sets us apart. Me with my wry wit and observations and trying to come up with an explanation for everything, James has his music, Tristan with the politics, Chan has his Liverpool obsession, Smiley with his recycled one-liners, Eddie with the fitness training. There's a diversity of ethnicities coupled with a diversity of personalities which makes for an interesting and in many ways enriching dynamic, and we have all learned a lot from one another in many respects. With CBCs, I notice that a lot of them are all the fucking same! Maybe they hang around each other so much, oblivious and impervious to outside exposure, that they become boring carbon copies of one another.
Eddie, funny how you mention the poser/digital camera phenomenon. Ever notice how any time a new "poser" networking technology comes out, Chinese kids (FOBS and CBCs alike) in the 14-24 demographic crawl all over it? I’m talking about AsianAvenue, Friendster, Xanga, Facebook... Not saying that other groups aren't into it, but the Chinese kids in particular absolutely love this stuff. Care to account for why that is?

4 Comments:
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Brock Campbell
haha love this post. Right on target. BUT, the last paragraph...once again, generalization taking place. I'm quite sure a lot of different people use xanga and facebook. But i admit, asian avenue? lol
5/22/2006 11:31:00 AM-
Anonymous
once n' once again, I was so vague about my identity. i didnt know exactly to which group I belonged, or say, should belong. as psychologists state, human beings are group animals. to seek the feeling of belonging is seriously an instinct. that's why, engineering ppl look down arts forks; math students think kinesiology may be just the name of the person who donated that building. when more than 5 ppl are together, problems arise. know what, i am feeling lucky enough that Canada is not like the violent country down there which is full of hate. here, at most, we do just dislike certain others.
5/23/2006 04:23:00 PMmost ppl in my department were born in this country, no matter of their skin tone. i tried to get involved during the first yr. nahhh, it did not work. why? i think the reason is the lack of, in addition to English skill itself for basic communication, 'common language'. till today, i know no other Hockey player's name than Tim Hortons. it is pretty much the same as few western ppl could name any single Ping Pong champion. I used to think maybe merely because my english sucks and im a foreigner, ppl dont wanna have a conversation a little bit more than 'hoz goin, wuz up, it's six dollars pls...'. it was when i gave the presentation about shoes to a classroom of caucasian colleagues and when i talked to my profs, I totally changed my mind. when ppl are interested in the topic, they do pay attention; they will try to override the barrier of language as hard as i do.
regarding to English, now for me, i am not as sensitive as before at all, cuz i know that ppl who laugh at my dialect could hardly spell a single french word they learnt in high school. every time, i walked by the elementary school close to home, I enjoyed listening to the beautiful english spoken by those kids. no 'fucking this, fucking that" around; it is beautiful. no tedious concerns of skin tone; it is again beautiful.
ppl like Weiner/Whiner wont put much effort to know guys from other countries. as ppl like him wont even bother to listen carefully to the hard-to-understand english, chinese, korean, indian students will just hang around with their(our) forks. i mean, why not? it is weird for me anyway to speak English to my chinese friends. THEN, when Weiner/Whiner heard Mandarin, he start to complain: come on, this is Canada, learn English; I wanna be your friend even you speak Mandarin. You believe it? he is not a special case. take a close look at the desks in DP; statements like his ones are all around. iam not blaming him/them. i just feel this is such a vicious circle in this immigration country.
believe or not, back there in China, foreigners are treated so well, i mean soooooo well. however, the key reason imo isn't the Confucian ideology (if in that case, ppl live in cities wont look down peasantry simply because of their dialect). it is because people in the thousand-yr-old countries, such as China, are very homogenous; they've just never seen Caucasians. i had a higher-than-reality expectation for how nice Canadians could be before I came. actually I think most students from China have it. That's maybe another source for why we feel being isolated even ppl here just treat us same as they treat others.
thank god that i met friends like Chan, Victor, and Adrian. it requires enough patience to talk to (especially listen to) Gene. i find it hard to agree any generalization toward CBCs (or any other groups), simply because among the around 5 of them i met, 4 are so curious about their root and wanna be identified as chinese. in my eyes, they are like the fossil of some chinese culture which has been lost in the current chinese society. when that article by Weiner/Whiner came up, my CBC friends were even more angry than i was. what i believe is the diversity within a group is way larger than between groups.
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Brock Campbell
Here here...
5/24/2006 08:26:00 PMwell said geno-man.
Hope this clears up a lot of stuff.
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Sen
I think that sets the record for the longest comment ever written.
5/24/2006 10:15:00 PMIn fact, it's longer than Smiley, Tristan, and Brock Campbell's typical posts... combined.
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